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(We're here with Juliet Schor

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this is in Manhattan

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She's a professor at Boston College

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cofounder of the Center New American Dream

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She also wrote the books

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the overspent american

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the overworked american

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and recently she published about FeF in Plenitude

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tell us more, maybe more about yourself

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How we got here

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what do you see as the point of collaborating)

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I think there are a lot of them

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One we're both interested in shifting

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to ecological sustainable production systems

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Number two

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we both understand

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human reproduction can be done using

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far less labour than it is today

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so there are tremendous efficiencies posible

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by changing to new forms of economy

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and new technologies

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I focus more on the new economic forms

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rather than the technologies

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understanding that they go together

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but I spent a lot of my career

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basically working on the ways the current

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extraordinarily wasteful

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and how we could have

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good high-quality high-satisfaction

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low eco-impact lifestyles

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with very low levels of hours of labour required for them

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american

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being a society

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to reduce hours of work

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to one in which in which the average american is

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working more and more hours, and unnecesarily so

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(now you're gonna republish

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Plenitude

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tell us more about it)

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So Plenitude is a book about

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which involves sort of

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withdrawing from the market economy

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working fewer hours

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spending less money in the consumer economy

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and get involved in more DIY

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the term that I used in that book

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came from the wonderful visionary phylosopher

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Richard Bergman

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one of the key messages from the book

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is that it's now posible

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at a very small scale

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to be highly efficient productive

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the scale of the industrial era which was big

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the optimal scale has declined pretty dramatically

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and what this means for individuals, households and communities

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is that they can do a lot of the production of their own needs locally

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high skilled and high productivity labour

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but actually with local

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much of the philosophy of Plenitude

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and the principles of Plenitude which are

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shorter hours of work

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and time affluence

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and the business as usual

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new time of consuming

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true materialism

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and the fourth

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social capital

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creating economic interdependence

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very local scale

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connection

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local scale

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those are very much the same

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I think many of the principles of FeF and OSE

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(yeah)

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parallel lines in terms of the economic ideas behind the models

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(yeah, yeah)

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(how do you think we can work together

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on these topics

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so what are some of the practical aspects

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from these meetings)

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i would love collaboration

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network

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plenitude practitioners - i wouldn't name

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spreading these ideas

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people doing more high-tech self-providing

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delinking

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also some interesting issues

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on the educational side

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MacArthur

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connected learning

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connection is a word you use quite a bit

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people-nature, people-people

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connected technology

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so on and so forth

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i think that's another area

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I'm going to be studying

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open source hardware movement

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(so we'll be a case-study)

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upskilling

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yes, you'll be a case study

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in the research that i'm doing for MacArthur

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which is a fundation Chicago

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(hum, hum)

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I just want to end by saying

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I love FeF OSE

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i love this project

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really visionary and practical at the same time

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and it's the way of the future

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(thanks Juliet)

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and Happy New Year!

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(yeah)