WEBVTT 00:00:00.929 --> 00:00:02.902 (We're here with Juliet Schor 00:00:02.902 --> 00:00:03.402 this is in Manhattan 00:00:03.402 --> 00:00:05.085 and 00:00:05.085 --> 00:00:09.800 She's a professor at Boston College 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:10.360 cofounder of the Center New American Dream 00:00:10.360 --> 00:00:12.800 She also wrote the books 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:14.629 the overspent american 00:00:14.629 --> 00:00:16.742 the overworked american 00:00:16.742 --> 00:00:19.667 and recently she published about FeF in Plenitude 00:00:19.667 --> 00:00:23.661 tell us more, maybe more about yourself 00:00:23.661 --> 00:00:25.008 How we got here 00:00:25.008 --> 00:00:27.121 what do you see as the point of collaborating) 00:00:27.121 --> 00:00:31.440 I think there are a lot of them 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:36.827 One we're both interested in shifting 00:00:36.827 --> 00:00:42.353 to ecological sustainable production systems 00:00:42.353 --> 00:00:42.853 Number two 00:00:42.853 --> 00:00:46.068 we both understand 00:00:46.068 --> 00:00:50.503 human reproduction can be done using 00:00:50.503 --> 00:00:51.003 far less labour than it is today 00:00:51.003 --> 00:01:00.024 so there are tremendous efficiencies posible 00:01:00.024 --> 00:01:00.524 by changing to new forms of economy 00:01:00.524 --> 00:01:08.917 and new technologies 00:01:08.917 --> 00:01:10.101 I focus more on the new economic forms 00:01:10.101 --> 00:01:11.146 rather than the technologies 00:01:11.146 --> 00:01:11.646 understanding that they go together 00:01:11.646 --> 00:01:13.236 but I spent a lot of my career 00:01:13.236 --> 00:01:18.800 basically working on the ways the current 00:01:18.800 --> 00:01:21.874 extraordinarily wasteful 00:01:21.874 --> 00:01:23.406 and how we could have 00:01:23.406 --> 00:01:33.800 good high-quality high-satisfaction 00:01:33.800 --> 00:01:35.016 low eco-impact lifestyles 00:01:35.016 --> 00:01:35.516 with very low levels of hours of labour required for them 00:01:35.516 --> 00:01:36.200 american 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.151 being a society 00:01:38.151 --> 00:01:42.772 to reduce hours of work 00:01:42.772 --> 00:01:46.022 to one in which in which the average american is 00:01:46.022 --> 00:01:50.225 working more and more hours, and unnecesarily so 00:01:50.225 --> 00:01:53.383 (now you're gonna republish 00:01:53.383 --> 00:01:55.380 Plenitude 00:01:55.380 --> 00:01:56.703 tell us more about it) 00:01:56.703 --> 00:02:00.094 So Plenitude is a book about 00:02:00.094 --> 00:02:06.363 which involves sort of 00:02:06.363 --> 00:02:08.360 withdrawing from the market economy 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.775 working fewer hours 00:02:10.775 --> 00:02:14.072 spending less money in the consumer economy 00:02:14.072 --> 00:02:18.159 and get involved in more DIY 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.852 the term that I used in that book 00:02:20.852 --> 00:02:24.057 came from the wonderful visionary phylosopher 00:02:24.057 --> 00:02:25.264 Richard Bergman 00:02:25.264 --> 00:02:27.006 one of the key messages from the book 00:02:27.006 --> 00:02:34.204 is that it's now posible 00:02:34.204 --> 00:02:37.269 at a very small scale 00:02:37.269 --> 00:02:40.914 to be highly efficient productive 00:02:40.914 --> 00:02:45.396 the scale of the industrial era which was big 00:02:45.396 --> 00:02:51.154 the optimal scale has declined pretty dramatically 00:02:51.154 --> 00:02:55.845 and what this means for individuals, households and communities 00:02:55.845 --> 00:03:01.510 is that they can do a lot of the production of their own needs locally 00:03:01.510 --> 00:03:07.060 high skilled and high productivity labour 00:03:07.060 --> 00:03:14.212 but actually with local 00:03:14.212 --> 00:03:16.905 much of the philosophy of Plenitude 00:03:16.905 --> 00:03:19.111 and the principles of Plenitude which are 00:03:19.111 --> 00:03:20.620 shorter hours of work 00:03:20.620 --> 00:03:21.805 and time affluence 00:03:21.805 --> 00:03:22.896 and the business as usual 00:03:22.896 --> 00:03:26.820 new time of consuming 00:03:26.820 --> 00:03:27.911 true materialism 00:03:27.911 --> 00:03:29.328 and the fourth 00:03:29.328 --> 00:04:14.003 social capital 00:04:14.003 --> 99:59:59.999 creating economic interdependence 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 very local scale 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 connection 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 local scale 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 those are very much the same 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I think many of the principles of FeF and OSE 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (yeah) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 parallel lines in terms of the economic ideas behind the models 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (yeah, yeah) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (how do you think we can work together 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on these topics 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 so what are some of the practical aspects 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 from these meetings) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 i would love collaboration 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 network 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 plenitude practitioners - i wouldn't name 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 spreading these ideas 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people doing more high-tech self-providing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 delinking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 also some interesting issues 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on the educational side 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 MacArthur 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 connected learning 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 connection is a word you use quite a bit 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people-nature, people-people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 connected technology 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 so on and so forth 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 i think that's another area 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm going to be studying 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 open source hardware movement 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (so we'll be a case-study) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 upskilling 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 yes, you'll be a case study 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in the research that i'm doing for MacArthur 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which is a fundation Chicago 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (hum, hum) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I just want to end by saying 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I love FeF OSE 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 i love this project 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 really visionary and practical at the same time 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and it's the way of the future 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (thanks Juliet) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and Happy New Year! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (yeah)