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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.07,0:00:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now what we're seeing is people have more free time
Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.93,0:00:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have more access to resources
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.10,0:00:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have kind of infinite knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.83,0:00:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at their fingertips which means
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.50,0:00:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can tap into
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.66,0:00:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any form of creation almost
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.12,0:00:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think to some extent that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.25,0:00:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trumps the Renaissance by orders of magnitude
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.06,0:00:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Future of Art
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.03,0:00:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't know what happens when we get
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.75,0:00:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more and more layers of infrastructure right
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.07,0:00:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if we look back and see the boom
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.87,0:00:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that happened since the web
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.27,0:00:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and since the technical stacks that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.50,0:00:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,became standardized and enabled
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.39,0:00:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,layers of innovation
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.77,0:00:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to happen on top of them
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.87,0:00:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We couldn't even predict 10 years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.43,0:00:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the kinds of things we're seeing nowadays.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.99,0:00:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I'm mostly interested in the ways
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.57,0:00:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially recently
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.80,0:00:44.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people can work together through the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.100,0:00:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create things that would otherwise
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.25,0:00:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be impossible
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.91,0:00:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think now that we have kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.30,0:00:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more computer resources than we've ever had
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.45,0:00:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both on the processing side
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.73,0:00:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also on the storage and organization
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.60,0:00:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and communication side
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.97,0:00:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know what we're seeing is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.33,0:01:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,richer and more full content
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.27,0:01:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that more contextually, that's more human.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.77,0:01:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the democratization that's come with a lot of the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.70,0:01:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social networking tools
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.03,0:01:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with the web being so democratically available
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.30,0:01:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think more people are trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.77,0:01:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take on the role of curator
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.40,0:01:14.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if it's in very very small parts of their life.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.49,0:01:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will always and still have those "experts" but
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.24,0:01:19.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that we will start to see more sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.70,0:01:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more democratic roles of curation.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.37,0:01:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was this discussion at the beginning
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.96,0:01:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was blogging
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.23,0:01:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.96,0:01:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh bloggers are curators, you think you're curators"
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.10,0:01:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No I'm not!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.82,0:01:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I work as a curator
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.33,0:01:31.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's something different from my blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.51,0:01:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The term is being expanded to say select or highlight
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.53,0:01:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I work a lot with intuition.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.20,0:01:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the role that we play
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.13,0:01:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making connections between things
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.77,0:01:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might not otherwise be obvious connections.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.05,0:01:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well I think the switch was like a long time ago
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.72,0:01:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when basically the amount of information
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.63,0:01:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available and the amount of books available
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.27,0:01:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suddenly became
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.52,0:01:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than the abilities of human beings
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.42,0:01:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to read for all his life, to even understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.52,0:02:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And nowadays we're just surrounded
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.33,0:02:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by so many informations
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.70,0:02:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so how do we deal with this?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.16,0:02:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically we deal with it on a daily basis one by one
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.90,0:02:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by sort of like digging our own histories with that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.97,0:02:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really a very interesting subjective process
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.83,0:02:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm going to apply myself on a daily basis
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.70,0:02:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like grabbing informations here or there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.13,0:02:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and putting them in contact and see what happens.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.73,0:02:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each time that I make films now I'm like,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.60,0:02:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"oh yeah let's do this film by getting inspired
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.27,0:02:28.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the images of that guy
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.93,0:02:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ideas of that dude,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.74,0:02:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And okay I'm going to make a film today like this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.00,0:02:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see what happens."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.17,0:02:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really exciting and just like
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.83,0:02:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constantly remixing history.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.01,0:02:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Telling our whole history through that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.07,0:02:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very exciting.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.53,0:02:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of originality and proprietariness
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.57,0:02:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also contributes to the whole "great man theory"
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.92,0:02:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is slowly sort of disintegrating.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.43,0:02:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of the genius, you know, the Freud,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.13,0:03:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Marx, the Leonardo
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.20,0:03:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Einstein that come up with an idea
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.81,0:03:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is completely related to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.51,0:03:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the man that came up with it
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.10,0:03:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas today
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.23,0:03:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas just get thrown out there and used
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.93,0:03:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's that use that that in a way is the art
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.90,0:03:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than the person
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.30,0:03:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who comes up with the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.11,0:03:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Take Away Show #41 The Arcade Fire "Neon Bible" by Vincent Moon]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.82,0:04:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we'll probably see more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.80,0:04:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,non-linear, interactive experiences.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.49,0:04:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lev Manovich says that the twenty-first century
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.63,0:04:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be defined by the database.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.28,0:04:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think there's some truth to that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.18,0:04:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but maybe even going beyond the database
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.13,0:04:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the interface
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.69,0:04:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think that's really the intersection between
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.77,0:04:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of all the rich data and rich stories
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.53,0:04:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're wrapping our heads around
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.54,0:04:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ability to say something about them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.79,0:04:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every single experimental film is about time
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.78,0:04:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because film only captures time and space.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.28,0:04:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we will
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.10,0:04:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some strange way
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.45,0:05:00.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enter into new types of film
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.15,0:05:04.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably starting with an idea of three-dimensional
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.70,0:05:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and probably somehow interactive at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.72,0:05:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not something that particularly interests me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.10,0:05:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like certain limitations.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.36,0:05:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think already film has almost
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.70,0:05:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not enough limitations to be able to focus
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.63,0:05:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so I wouldn't be one to jump in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.16,0:05:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and start making 3D interactive
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.00,0:05:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm sure that people will start to do that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.03,0:05:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll start dealing with spaces that are deeper.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.68,0:05:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't just mean 3D like James Cameron or whatever,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.47,0:05:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean more dimensions where when you move
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.42,0:05:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the space something else is changing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.95,0:05:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're getting a greater understanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.18,0:05:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the visual capacity of people to think
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.59,0:05:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is tremendous, it's really huge
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.17,0:05:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it has to be trained a bit
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.96,0:05:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm always impressed how quickly either
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.57,0:05:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children or adults can pick up on visual analogy
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.20,0:05:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then move more or less through spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.92,0:05:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are abstract
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.43,0:05:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when they become more dynamic I think
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.50,0:06:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will be kind of the front edge of art
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.54,0:06:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it will be at the front edge of expanding
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.56,0:06:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we understand reality
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.57,0:06:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how we can process information.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.52,0:06:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The funny thing about video mapping I think
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.59,0:06:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it's getting part of the environment
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.98,0:06:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there's no border between you
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.33,0:06:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the content and the light.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.80,0:06:20.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you think about it more naturally
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.57,0:06:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything that happens
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.83,0:06:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you adapt to it like it's real.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.80,0:06:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't make the shift
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.73,0:06:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the virtual layer
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.00,0:06:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the real layer anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.40,0:06:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where is art going?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.77,0:06:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it will more part of our natural environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.57,0:06:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we don't see it as an "add-to" anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.69,0:06:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we react on it more naturally.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.03,0:06:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If these shifts were simply documented in a
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.70,0:06:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,holographic medium through mono-channelled P.O.V.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.73,0:06:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directionality similar to contemporary cinematic 3D
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.11,0:06:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology, the shifts would indeed resemble
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.48,0:06:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traditional theater complete with the fourth wall
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.87,0:06:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that maintains the tradition of theatrical realism
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.73,0:06:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,via an audience/performative vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.82,0:07:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the holographic medium instead attempted to break
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.33,0:07:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this fourth wall, such as augmented reality integrated
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.10,0:07:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with artificial intelligence is progressing towards
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.20,0:07:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the shifts could become an integral part of future
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.80,0:07:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,genre, creation, knowledge formation/codification.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.85,0:07:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Spatial Sound Sculpture by Daniel Franke & Christopher Warnow]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.73,0:07:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think mostly we're just seeing
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.07,0:07:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what happens when you reach a point where
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.26,0:07:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computational resources are no longer
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.40,0:07:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most significant factor in thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.47,0:07:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're really able to you know basically waste
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.53,0:07:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cycles and memory and transfer speeds.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.20,0:07:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It lends itself to a completely
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.42,0:07:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different type of creative process
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.30,0:07:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can really kind of explore and experiment
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.09,0:07:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot more freely than one could before.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.55,0:07:51.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't have to necessarily know
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.82,0:07:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we're going with a piece of software
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.78,0:07:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we start writing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.64,0:07:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can actually explore and iterate
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.17,0:07:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and potentially even throw away something
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.00,0:08:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would have taken days or weeks to make
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.49,0:08:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without feeling any sense of investment
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.25,0:08:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just start anew.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.56,0:08:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really powerful I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.17,0:08:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps most significantly
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.40,0:08:10.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it lets us create our own limitations
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.37,0:08:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think those generally
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.83,0:08:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be a lot more meaningful than
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.43,0:08:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ones that are arbitrarily put on by the media.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.77,0:08:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have an artwork for example
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.70,0:08:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that basically just creates a set of data
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.59,0:08:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which could be interpreted many different ways
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.03,0:08:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like you could take the data
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.45,0:08:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you could make it into a photograph
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.26,0:08:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would be three dimensional
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.37,0:08:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or have a relief
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.86,0:08:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or instead of making lots of photographs
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.95,0:08:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be a film or whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.93,0:08:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means that the only original thing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.52,0:08:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that set of data.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.40,0:08:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So where is the artwork?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.03,0:08:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is the artwork the data?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.77,0:08:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or is the artwork the output?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.86,0:08:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's something really magic and beautiful about
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.97,0:08:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being able to take something that was created for one
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.78,0:08:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purpose and then put it towards your art practice and
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.63,0:08:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make something really new and beautiful
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.12,0:09:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and meaningful with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.84,0:09:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.13,0:09:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not necessarily excited by
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.86,0:09:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a technology that comes out just because it's new
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.57,0:09:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just because it's available all of a sudden.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.73,0:09:12.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There has to be a reason underlying why
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.37,0:09:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's being used to in some way support or enhance
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.03,0:09:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the meaning or the beauty of what you're making.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.43,0:09:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I identified myself as a painter.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.17,0:09:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was pushing away ideas and concepts
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.87,0:09:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things that I wanted to work with because
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.32,0:09:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't feel that I could really paint them.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.15,0:09:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The best way to approach a project or a problem is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.13,0:09:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use the best tool for the job.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.05,0:09:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes it is painting
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.49,0:09:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes that's programming.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.77,0:09:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Often time when I have picked up new technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.00,0:09:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and incorporated them into my work
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.57,0:09:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it hasn't been because I saw the technology
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.27,0:09:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thought, "okay I want to do something with this."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.06,0:09:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's because there was another project
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.80,0:09:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sort of called for a technological solution.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.96,0:09:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every once in a while you see something and think,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.75,0:09:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh that's cool, I want to do something with it."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.18,0:09:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For myself, when I've approached things that way
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.90,0:09:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really difficult to make the work
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.18,0:09:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not about the technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.53,0:09:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People get sidetracked so easily
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.52,0:09:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fall into this like,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.17,0:09:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What can the computer do?" versus
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.23,0:09:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How is it a tool helping me?"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.46,0:10:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The simpler works
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.92,0:10:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are finally the more precise works
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.77,0:10:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have clear thought
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.97,0:10:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that will continue
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.40,0:10:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be even more poignant when get
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.70,0:10:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,noisier and noisier.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.33,0:10:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example a concept which has been explored by
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.20,0:10:16.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Transmediale and many other festivals was
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.97,0:10:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance!
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.21,0:10:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I would go to the biennale of Lyon
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.33,0:10:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a traditional biennale of contemporary art
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.20,0:10:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would see a very simple artwork
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.73,0:10:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without any technology
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.00,0:10:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would investigate surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.40,0:10:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and comment on it without any technology
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.91,0:10:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would be stronger.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.28,0:10:35.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Performance art is making a big comeback now.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.80,0:10:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's getting a newfound footing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.54,0:10:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in the major institutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.93,0:10:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it seems to me that that's a reaction against
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.49,0:10:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the computer space and the technology
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.17,0:10:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we have this extreme high-tech
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.93,0:10:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it's balanced out by this complete
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.16,0:10:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appreciation now where
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.67,0:10:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's only a person on a stage with no props
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.50,0:10:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no help
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.47,0:10:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's the human doing something.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.10,0:11:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm really interested in going back to objects
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.03,0:11:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things that are tangible
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.57,0:11:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also on the other side of that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.07,0:11:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experiences that are maybe intangible
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.40,0:11:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that you have with other people around you
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.43,0:11:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their physical presence
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.61,0:11:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the messiness that that entails.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.97,0:11:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a lot of ways I feel like I have a sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.88,0:11:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,split practice
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.88,0:11:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where on the one hand there's the Internet work
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.46,0:11:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's cheap, ubiquitous, it's available to me
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.94,0:11:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can put stuff up there
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.00,0:11:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it does not take a lot of time
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.42,0:11:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've got potentially this unknown audience
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.83,0:11:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have no idea who they are
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.09,0:11:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and can get very, very interesting things happening
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.23,0:11:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you relate with people.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.07,0:11:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then on the other hand I have this live practice
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.38,0:11:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes more theatrical
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.34,0:11:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes more relational where
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.35,0:11:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about actually staring someone in the face
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.65,0:11:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or being in the same room with them
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.35,0:11:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and imposing your physical presence on them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.07,0:12:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our specific desire is basically to create social links.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.22,0:12:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the results are only the pretext to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.24,0:12:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the films, the music, the albums
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.90,0:12:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the pieces on the walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.35,0:12:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically we live in a world where
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.95,0:12:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many people create.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.77,0:12:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have people talking about the decay
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.83,0:12:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the creative industry.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.73,0:12:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How the music industry can survive to adapt.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.10,0:12:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not the point.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.84,0:12:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the point is what's really exciting nowadays is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.23,0:12:32.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do people create?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.60,0:12:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how that way that they create
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.07,0:12:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changes something in this world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.27,0:12:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was kind of taken by this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.15,0:12:44.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bruce Nauman quote that like,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.89,0:12:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Anything I do in the studio, I'm an artist
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.90,0:12:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm in my artist's studio, if I do it here, it's art."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.69,0:12:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought like, that seems really freeing and great
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.04,0:12:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then he actually limited it to his studio;
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.38,0:12:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he can only feel secure in his studio
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.90,0:13:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thought well, I'm going to try to shoot stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.51,0:13:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of the studio
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.07,0:13:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was always shooting in the studio
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.14,0:13:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now I want to do it in front of an art audience
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.06,0:13:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call the whole process art
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.76,0:13:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not do it in my studio
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.07,0:13:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see if there's any barrier
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.63,0:13:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course there's no barrier.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.47,0:13:15.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anywhere you go and anything you do
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.03,0:13:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can call it art if you want to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.17,0:13:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're an artist
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.97,0:13:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're brave enough to call yourself an artist
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.93,0:13:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you can say, "This is my art."
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.50,0:13:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course people can laugh at it, but it is art.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.43,0:13:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no obvious relation between the quality
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.73,0:13:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a piece of work for example
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.21,0:13:31.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the value.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.17,0:13:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The market is very much disconnected from
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.60,0:13:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the actual object or the content
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.00,0:13:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Artists got fascinated with exactly that fact
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.90,0:13:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a hundred years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.18,0:13:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Duchamp introduced the readymade
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.03,0:13:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was exactly his point.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.98,0:13:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can put anything in there and then it will
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.88,0:13:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eventually become a commodity in that market.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.83,0:13:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are beginning to see new ways of funding
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.37,0:13:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening and dissemination and artists participating
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.01,0:13:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more directly in their own market
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.00,0:14:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not necessarily
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.66,0:14:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being cloistered off in their studios
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.40,0:14:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you have the dealer acting
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.60,0:14:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the sole middleman between
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.79,0:14:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the artist and the rest of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.32,0:14:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in New York with my friend Yancey
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.53,0:14:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is one of the guys behind Kickstarter
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.29,0:14:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he mentioned something really interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.87,0:14:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was like, "Oh yeah, you know
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.22,0:14:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way you live your life
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.45,0:14:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could probably live your life by having two
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.00,0:14:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or three Kickstarter projects a year.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.60,0:14:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's it, you know?"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.09,0:14:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's kind of true.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.20,0:14:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm totally into this way of doing things
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.60,0:14:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of crowdfunding
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.80,0:14:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not a very nice word
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.50,0:14:28.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I really believe in it so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.53,0:14:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just really think about it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.80,0:14:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from different positions in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.26,0:14:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is really amazing this Kickstarter thing
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.93,0:14:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a lot of cultures.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.23,0:14:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we're going to see
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.80,0:14:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really fantastic things coming
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.63,0:14:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in the next five years.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.20,0:14:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word is going to be spread out
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.43,0:14:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all around the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.47,0:14:49.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Braun Tube Jazz Band by Ei Wada]
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.43,0:15:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well there has been a long tradition
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.44,0:15:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the national artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.33,0:15:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a number of names that you all know
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.23,0:15:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nations are a really proud about that they are
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.03,0:15:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,British or Indian or U.S. artists.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.57,0:15:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a nomad myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.94,0:15:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For us being in a tribe that moves around
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.13,0:15:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a problem at all
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.27,0:15:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we don't care about places at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.16,0:15:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No matter if you are in Toronto, Berlin or Amsterdam
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.90,0:15:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what matters for us is which kind of value
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.04,0:15:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you embrace for your work.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.73,0:15:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This doesn't matter whether you are based in Asia
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.07,0:15:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Europe or in America.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.70,0:15:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certain values are all over the planet
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.56,0:15:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll find them anywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.90,0:15:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it doesn't matter if you're nomadic
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.65,0:15:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a resident of a city.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.47,0:15:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been seeing a rising of nomad artists
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.63,0:15:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the past ten years a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.63,0:15:45.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And basically it corresponds
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.13,0:15:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a real need in our society
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.93,0:15:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of movement, of bodies in motion
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.80,0:15:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who go from one place to another by basically
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.23,0:15:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking the pretext of making films or music
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.47,0:15:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to move around, to travel
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.82,0:16:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very interesting idea of modern nomadism.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.07,0:16:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I guess, I don't know, but well
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.52,0:16:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what I'm doing and it's quite fantastic!
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.14,0:16:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a lot of people are doing this nowadays
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.16,0:16:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more and more, and it's not going to stop
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.04,0:16:07.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's for sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.77,0:16:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a real tendency towards that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.70,0:16:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our generation.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.93,0:16:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Internet and all the digital tools
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.07,0:16:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or small cameras
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.47,0:16:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are an incredible way to work, to do this now.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.68,0:16:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I appreciate in my life is
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.60,0:16:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no matter where I go
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.07,0:16:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are at least seven to ten people
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.67,0:16:25.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I really know profoundly well
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.11,0:16:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can trust them, they trust me
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.27,0:16:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it goes far beyond a Facebook relationship.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.13,0:16:32.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's really crucially important.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.67,0:16:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to trust people, they need to know you
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.03,0:16:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they need to be here for you in good and bad times
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.37,0:16:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not just only when you are in the "show mode"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.27,0:16:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you present and you are the cool artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.33,0:16:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't imagine being an artist without that.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.67,0:16:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For these types of creatives
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.40,0:16:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identity becomes a series of fragmented reality
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.10,0:16:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sets that need to be constantly channeled
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.80,0:16:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,monitored and updated.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.20,0:16:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This fragmentation does alter
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.29,0:16:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we process the world via associated
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.57,0:17:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emotional and psychological effects.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.94,0:17:03.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These identities, established through the use of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.43,0:17:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,avatars or profile creation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.53,0:17:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alter according to the foibles of specific
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.80,0:17:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,platforms and interfaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.76,0:17:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A subject may a have a multitude of profiles
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.34,0:17:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created across a wide distribution base.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.87,0:17:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These staggered profiles create a type of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.70,0:17:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,socialphrenic functioning that eclipses
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.93,0:17:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solo persona extensions.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.25,0:17:24.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Users may reference a fellow synthetic
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.41,0:17:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by their character or avatar name
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.32,0:17:28.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even when interacting in
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.23,0:17:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phenomenologically-defined reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.89,0:17:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to traditional psychological theory
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.30,0:17:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these type of identity ecologies would represent
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.95,0:17:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a subtle splintering of a primary identity
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.55,0:17:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,akin to schizophrenia.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.50,0:17:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The base categories denoting emotion
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.53,0:17:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and psychological states need overhauling
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.73,0:17:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in line with contemporary/synthetic conceptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.24,0:17:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was kind of working with a lot of different voices
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.67,0:17:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in my head and different little people on my shoulder.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.87,0:17:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had an opportunity to do a program
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.37,0:17:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Yale University, and while I was there
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.01,0:17:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I painted this big very somber black painting
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.48,0:18:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a way to sort of break myself
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.45,0:18:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of that cycle and kind of push myself
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.98,0:18:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a completely new direction
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.19,0:18:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I painted a tiny little turtle down in the corner
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.23,0:18:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this very somber black on black painting
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.73,0:18:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that single little defacement
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.32,0:18:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed a whole new part of me into the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.33,0:18:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went from thinking of art as a strictly serious thing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.77,0:18:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you're going to make serious art
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.83,0:18:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has to be serious
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.53,0:18:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that you can make serious art
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.67,0:18:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have a very large amount of humor in it
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.40,0:18:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes that's the best way
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.76,0:18:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you can use humor as a tool
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.92,0:18:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to attach things in people's brains
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.10,0:18:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to kind of sneak things in the back door
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.73,0:18:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and allow concepts and ideas and things
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.58,0:18:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to move into the viewer's consciousness
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.13,0:18:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without them necessarily knowing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.37,0:18:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One way that artists can strengthen their ability to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.16,0:18:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make these unusual connections is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.57,0:18:44.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the power of the subconscious mind
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.03,0:18:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we normally experience as dreaming.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.59,0:18:49.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would be very curious to get
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.07,0:18:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a level of experience
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.65,0:18:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would be dreamlike.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.53,0:18:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where you could be walking through a space
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.27,0:18:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in someone else's dream
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.29,0:18:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have more of a sense because
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.33,0:19:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very hard for me to know if I dream
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.00,0:19:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar to the way you dream
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.37,0:19:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even to remember my dream so precisely
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.24,0:19:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I think it would be quite interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.50,0:19:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if somebody could make a piece
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.25,0:19:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's as real as a dream
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.12,0:19:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that you could actually make choices
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.59,0:19:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe but you're not in control
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.37,0:19:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.70,0:19:18.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think in a way that must be
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.19,0:19:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the future of where art is about
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.14,0:19:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have an experience and I'm trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.88,0:19:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,share it with other people
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.85,0:19:27.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm limited if I'm painting on a canvas
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.62,0:19:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's square and it's this big.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.88,0:19:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For all you cared you could draw the universe
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.27,0:19:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw little martians
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.00,0:19:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,running all over the place
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.42,0:19:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw things you imagined
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.25,0:19:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw real life scenes
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.86,0:19:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw what you think about
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.40,0:19:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw dreams
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.46,0:19:44.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could draw people, in fact
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.45,0:19:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lots of people say they can't draw people but
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.77,0:19:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you put your mind to it
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.03,0:19:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can really draw anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.23,0:19:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, maybe decorate the street
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.77,0:19:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the street's a very nice thing
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.24,0:20:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's not the greatest to look at, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.66,0:20:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what I might do is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.86,0:20:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leave the arrows and all the little dots
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.57,0:20:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and slashes and lines
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.77,0:20:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but everywhere there wasn't that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.13,0:20:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could make the most beautiful designs
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.63,0:20:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could ...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.82,0:20:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd make it a law that your car would have to have
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.53,0:20:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wet paint on it every day on its tires
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.30,0:20:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you rode around it would make
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.90,0:20:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any colored track all over the road
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.07,0:20:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it couldn't be on the lines
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.47,0:20:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.57,0:20:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would make
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.60,0:20:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess the world a better place.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.63,0:20:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Future of Art
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.73,0:20:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conceived & Edited by Gabriel Shalom
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.63,0:20:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Produced by KS12 / Emergence Collective
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.74,0:20:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Executive Producer: Patrizia Kommerell
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.82,0:20:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Assistant Editor: Clare Molloy
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.70,0:20:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Production Assistant: Annika Bauer
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.78,0:21:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This video was shot, edited and screened at the Transmediale Festival 2011 in Berlin, Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.73,0:21:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CC 2011 BY-NC-SA KS12 / Emergence Collective
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